Weekly, as we share the experiences of clergywomen across the country and world, it is important to hear from women serving in a variety of ministry venues. Today’s blog features The Reverend Donna Hughes-Hargraves, Executive Director of United Protestant Campus Ministries. Never hearing a woman preach before and majoring in Agriculture and Horse Science, one may wonder how Rev. Donna became a campus minister! God, however, guided her unique journey to prepare her to minister to young people on college campuses nationally and internationally.
Shepastor Blog Interview with
The Reverend Donna Hughes-Hargraves,
Executive Director of United Protestant Campus Ministries
Cleveland, Ohio
At what age did you first “hear” a call to the ministry?
I was 28 when I heard the call to ministry.
Did you share your call experience with anyone? If so, how did they respond?
Yes - while in graduate school studying another subject, I immediately changed my emphasis to the Master of Divinity program. I contacted my annual conference to tell them I was studying to become a pastor. The most interesting thing about their response (year 1990) was their suggestion to find another conference due to the conservative-ism of the seminary… so I did. When I changed to the M.Div, women were only 10% of that major’s population. I had lots of male and female seminary students who questioned our enrollment in the program. So the seminary was accepting of women, but the student body was not.
How long did it take after acknowledging your call to become licensed and or ordained?
After finishing three years of seminary, I was ordained a deacon. Two years out of seminary I served a church and then it was two more years until I became an elder. Since then the system has changed.
How would you describe your journey into the ministry?
I was always involved in church, but like I said before, I had no idea women could be pastors. I was dedicated to being a veterinarian and or just working with livestock as a county extension agent with some horse work thrown in. Being a pastor never occurred to me even though I did youth ministry for a few years.
While I was in graduate school majoring in Agriculture and Horse Science (at Texas A&M) I went to a large Methodist church. They had part- time junior and senior high youth workers. Both workers left and they were in need of a youth leader, so I was asked to fill in part-time. I also worked in student affairs at Texas A&M. Upon graduation, I went to China for a year to teach English at an Agricultural college. I knew that I liked working with youth and animals, but wasn’t quite sure how the two blended together. During my studies, I ran across research that suggested animals have been helpful in working with disturbed youth. While my interest and desire to work with youth began to grow, I never thought of being a pastor.
When I came back from China, I could not find a job. A friend encouraged me to come to seminary to learn about the Bible and possibly find a job working with youth. I studied in the youth program. While at the seminary (only two months) I heard a female minister preach. Upon hearing her preach I “heard” God say, that is what I want you to do. I had never seen a woman preach even though I was born and raised in the United Methodist Church and we have been ordaining women for a long time. Although she was in Christian Ed and was not an ordained clergyperson, I’d never seen a woman in the pulpit before and seeing her drew me to accept my call to preach.
What role models impacted your perception of ministry (male and female)?
One of my pastors was a great preacher but did not have a personality outside the pulpit, I didn’t want to be that person. I had more “what not to do” role models as far as pastors go.
I did, however, have two great mentors and friends that served as positive role models. When I first went into the pastorate, I had a three- point charge (serving three small, rural congregations). I lived in South Dakota and there weren’t that many folks around. Two pastors from the local community saw me struggling and clue-less about doing the practical, day to day things of pastoring. They took me under their wings, met with me every week for breakfast for two years and mentored me through.
What is your current area of ministry? How did you become who you are (multifaceted question I know!)
I am a campus minister. I served rural churches for three years in North and South Dakota. Realized I am not a small town/rural pastor so pursued campus ministry since I had worked at Texas A&M in Student affairs for awhile. I served at the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology for 6 years. I then went back into parish ministry and served in Iowa for 7 years, had a pretty difficult church experience and went back into the type of ministry that has fed my spirit the most, working with college students. I have been at United Protestant Campus Ministries of Cleveland for 15 months.
Is it your experience that female pastors are strong advocates for other female clergy? Why or why not?
Often I find that women do not mentor other female clergy. We often get so involved in our own ministry or being part of the men’s club we forget that women clergy need encouragement and mentors. I remember when I was in seminary, there were not that many female clergy around. When I’d hear them preach, I wanted to talk with them about how they got to be where they were, tips for preaching, doing ministry, etc., However, many of them were somewhat “put-off-ish,” and were too busy to share or provide guidance or support. It felt like they were saying, ‘I had to climb up both ways through the snow – I had to fight to make it on my own, so just suck it up and get out there on your own.’ Even in the church, some of the most difficult people (unfortunately) were middle age women, working age – educated even more so than the men.
What challenges have you faced in your role as a clergywoman?
People still have issues with women in leadership, often other women have the most difficulty with us. I am also small in stature and that with being a woman makes it difficult to always be taken seriously.
What suggestions do you have to help create greater opportunities for females desiring to become pastors?
We need to make ourselves visible so that young women know it is an option for ministry. We also need to be in places that may be difficult for us as a female pastor so that we have a voice. We can’t be shy or give up the fight.
What words of wisdom or advice would you share with women who feel called to the ministry (pastorate or other ministries)?
Trust that God is in the process, find a good clergy mentor who is female, surround yourself with a good, faithful and encouraging committee.
Have you “heard” God calling you to serve in ministry, but not necessarily as a senior pastor? Are you a campus minister, pastoral counselor, chaplain or serving in some other area of ministry? We want to hear from you. Post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Wednesday, September 29, 2010
Wednesday, September 22, 2010
"Interrupted By God: Interview with Dean Tracey Lind"
A couple of weeks ago I was privileged to have a very rich and meaningful conversation with one of our great city leaders and clergy women, The Very Reverend Tracey Lind, Dean of Trinity Episcopal Cathedral in Cleveland, Ohio. With energy, transparency and conviction, “Tracey” (as she prefers to be called) shared snippets of the many and varied experiences that helped to shape and mold her into the clergy woman that she is today. Included in this blog are highlights of our discussion as well as excerpts from her book, Interrupted by God – Glimpses from the Edge (2004, Pilgrim’s Press).
A portion of her bio reads…
The Very Rev. Tracey Lind is Dean of Trinity Episcopal Cathedral as well as a city planner and author. Her ministry includes work for environmental justice, interfaith relations, sustainable urban planning, arts and culture, and the diversity of the Episcopal Church.
Lind came to Trinity in 2000 and led the development of Trinity Commons, an award-winning, environmentally-sustainable campus that is home to Trinity Cathedral and the Diocese of Ohio. During her tenure, Trinity has experienced tremendous growth and development as a diocesan cathedral, a vibrant and inclusive community of faith, and a leading institution in the heart of the city.
As Dean of Trinity, Lind speaks, teaches and preaches around the country, including at the Chautauqua Institution, the Episcopal College Conference, the National Trust for Historic Preservation and a variety of churches, conferences, seminaries and theological schools.
Shepastor Blog Interview With Dean Tracey Lind
(Some answers – with permission, are quotes from Dean Lind’s Book, Interrupted by God – Glimpses from the Edge)
At what age did you first “hear” a call to the ministry?
Age 11. I was raised in a Jewish and Christian home. It took me to age 25 to determine if I would be a Rabbi or Christian minister. (The quotes below from chapter 5 expand upon this response…)
My mother’s family came from England. To the best of our knowledge, her ancestors arrived in Jamestown during the seventeenth century, settled in the upcountry of Virginia, and eventually moved west to Southern Ohio in the late eighteenth century…
My father’s ancestors were Austrian-German Jews who came to this country with the great wave of nineteenth century immigration…
I think of myself as half-Jewish and half-Christian, and I consider my rich heritage a mixed blessing. As a child, I wanted to be a preacher – I just wasn’t sure whether I should be a rabbi or a minister. Since my mother wasn’t Jewish, I wasn’t considered a real Jew, so I didn’t think I could be a rabbi – and anyway, I assumed I could never learn Hebrew. When I imagined becoming a minister, I couldn’t figure out how to do that either – you see, I wasn’t baptized, so I wasn’t a real Christian, and I didn’t want to be baptized because I had learned somewhere (an untruth, I now believe) that the Nazis baptized Jewish babies and then sent them to the gas chambers. Anyhow, I was a girl, and back then girls couldn’t be ordained either as rabbis or ministers. But I loved being in the house of God, and I loved playing “Saturday-go-to-temple” and “Sunday-go-to-church.” I still remember setting up the chairs in our family room, putting my stuffed toys and dolls in straight rows, and preaching to the silent, appreciative and complacent congregation of inanimate worshippers.
How did you “process” the Call?
(Excerpt from Introduction to Chapter 5, The Question… as well as other statements from the chapter…)
Thirty-five years ago I sat in a classroom with fifty other adolescents watching the movie Let My People Go. It was the first documentary of the Holocaust, and I’ll always be haunted by the memory of emaciated corpses being pushed down a slide in the Warsaw Ghetto. At the end of the film, a young rabbi tried to elicit responses from a stunned and silent class of usually loud and obnoxious ninth graders. I’ll never forget the moment when he looked at me, the only kid with a non-Jewish parent, and said: “Tracey, you don’t look Jewish. You could have passed. What would you have done? Would you have died for your faith or denied it?” I didn’t have an answer. I didn’t know what it meant to pass. I didn’t know what it meant to die for one’s faith. I didn’t really know what my faith was. I only knew that I was angry, embarrassed, confused and alone. So I just stared back at him and finally said, “I don’t know.”
That accusatory statement, “You could have passed,” followed by the probing question, “What would you have done,” has haunted me all the days of my life. It has permeated my dreams; it has kept me awake; it has stood with me in the pulpit; and it has influenced every major life decision I have made. And just when I think I have put the accusation to rest and answered the question, it re-emerges as a beast from the deep recesses of the ocean called my unconscious. This question, “will I pass or will I claim who I am and what I believe regardless of its cost, even to death?” is the angel with whom I wrestle causing me to walk with a limp. It is the burning bush in front of which I stand barefooted, the slow burning flame that keeps alive my passion but does not consume my spirit. Whenever I travel into the wilderness of my soul, I am tempted to avoid this question’s pain and confusion. Yet, it remains the blinding flash of light that forces me to my knees when I try to run away.
You had a very intense conversation with God concerning your calling. Could you say a word about that?
(Book Excerpt…)
My first semester at Union Theological Seminary in New York City was a wrestling match with God. Exhausted from taking on someone bigger and stronger than me, I found myself walking down 42nd Street one day in January asking God to let me go. And then it happened. Suddenly, a voice called out to me from within me saying, “I’m not going to let go of you.” “What do you want with me?” I asked. “I want your life,” the voice answered. “Why me?” I responded. “Why not?” the voice replied. At this point, I realized that something was happening and I needed to stop and pay attention to this voice.. I went into a near-by McDonald’s restaurant, ordered my usual cheeseburger, fries, and coke and began frantically scribbling down a conversation with this voice from within.
The voice called me by name, identified itself as God, confronted me with my own issues and private wounds, contradicted my theology, answered lots of questions, called me to the ordained priesthood, and reassured me when I protested. The voice said, “I brought you to New York for a reason, to look beyond yourself and those like you… I want you to celebrate my Eucharist…You must feed my people…You will guide people to come to me through this and other acts…You will help people to love each other and me…. You’ve changed, why can’t others… It’s a loving revolution so be my hands and my mouth, not your own.”
In the course of the conversation, I questioned why the voice was talking with me, and it responded, “Because you’ve been asking for it.” It was true. I had been asking, begging, even challenging God to be clear with me, to help me answer The Question. And here I was – on a cold January afternoon, sitting in a McDonald’s Restaurant on 42nd Street in Manhattan, having this private conversation with a voice. At the end of our time together, I asked, “If you’re inside of me, then how can you be God.” The voice replied in words I’ll never forget, “What’s so special about me is that I’m inside of anyone and everyone who wants to know me. And, if the world would hear me and follow me, my kingdom would come.” With that comment, the conversation ended. I got up and walked home in quiet amazement, wondering if I had really spoken with almighty God. Like Mary, I kept silent and treasured these words, pondering them in my heart.
Did you share your call experience with anyone? If so, how did they respond?
Yes I did. I wrote one of my seminary professors a letter, sharing my call experience. She wrote back and told me that I had no choice but to respond. She told me, “Faith is a two way street – it is a gift from God and the decision is to accept the gift.”
What role models impacted your perception of ministry (male and female)?
Men and women have deeply influenced my life. As a child, I was in awe of Dr. MLK, Jr. I’ve also been greatly influenced by Dietrich Bonhoeffer (For two years, I slept in Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s old room at Union Theological Seminary in New York City), Mother Teresa, My Bishop and great leader of the Episcopal Church - Paul Moore and my seminary professor, Dr. Carter Haywood. I’m also inspired and impacted greatly by the urban clergy in the South Bronx - Roman Catholic Sisters who galvanize people in the faith – how they are able to embody the prophetic words of Jesus in the world – how they are able to hold onto their faith without claiming it is the only truth.
Are female pastors strong advocates for other female clergy? Why or why not?
The pastors I respect are advocates for competent and faithful clergy, regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation. I don’t believe in advocating for individuals just because of who they are, but because they are competent and called.
What challenges have you faced in your role as a clergywoman?
I have always been the first woman in my positions. What do they call you – Ms., Elder, 1st name? When I lead with strength, I have been perceived as aggressive. When men lead with strength, they are respected, beloved and viewed as a “tough but strong pastor.” When a woman is strong and holds staff and others accountable, she is viewed as a “B…” Oftentimes women pastors are viewed as “everybody’s mommy.” It is sometimes a challenge because we attract those who weren’t nurtured. We therefore find ourselves trying be all things to all people and become apologetic when we can’t.
We also find it challenging to stand up for the benefits we deserve such as salary, housing, car, vacation etc. We feel the need to suffer for some reason.
What suggestions do you have to help create greater opportunities for females desiring to become pastors?
Mentor young women. Stay in touch with young women. Suggest names of competent, called and faithful women if you are in a position to do so. Be honest with those you mentor – tell them, “try this” or “consider that.” Give them honest feed back from their sermons. Network, influence and promote them. Be a positive role model, mentor and colleague. Offer support.
What words of encouragement and caution would you give to those who are currently serving in a ministerial role?
Develop your strengths and don’t focus on your weaknesses. Be creative about what the doing of ministry looks like. Don’t believe you have to do it alone. Don’t feel that you need to take on the bad habits of some men. Change the rules a little bit. Develop the priesthood of all believers. Don’t try to micro manage. Use technology wisely – don’t fight it. Take preaching seriously – remember those 15 or 20 minutes are a great privilege. Take days off – take your vacations, eat and sleep well. Enjoy your spouse or significant other. Say your prayers – take care of yourself.
Have you ever experienced “God’s interruptions?” Have you ever decided that you were going to do or be something and God had other ideas? Do you have experiences or words of wisdom or encouragement that you’d like to share with others regarding this topic? If so, post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
A portion of her bio reads…
The Very Rev. Tracey Lind is Dean of Trinity Episcopal Cathedral as well as a city planner and author. Her ministry includes work for environmental justice, interfaith relations, sustainable urban planning, arts and culture, and the diversity of the Episcopal Church.
Lind came to Trinity in 2000 and led the development of Trinity Commons, an award-winning, environmentally-sustainable campus that is home to Trinity Cathedral and the Diocese of Ohio. During her tenure, Trinity has experienced tremendous growth and development as a diocesan cathedral, a vibrant and inclusive community of faith, and a leading institution in the heart of the city.
As Dean of Trinity, Lind speaks, teaches and preaches around the country, including at the Chautauqua Institution, the Episcopal College Conference, the National Trust for Historic Preservation and a variety of churches, conferences, seminaries and theological schools.
Shepastor Blog Interview With Dean Tracey Lind
(Some answers – with permission, are quotes from Dean Lind’s Book, Interrupted by God – Glimpses from the Edge)
At what age did you first “hear” a call to the ministry?
Age 11. I was raised in a Jewish and Christian home. It took me to age 25 to determine if I would be a Rabbi or Christian minister. (The quotes below from chapter 5 expand upon this response…)
My mother’s family came from England. To the best of our knowledge, her ancestors arrived in Jamestown during the seventeenth century, settled in the upcountry of Virginia, and eventually moved west to Southern Ohio in the late eighteenth century…
My father’s ancestors were Austrian-German Jews who came to this country with the great wave of nineteenth century immigration…
I think of myself as half-Jewish and half-Christian, and I consider my rich heritage a mixed blessing. As a child, I wanted to be a preacher – I just wasn’t sure whether I should be a rabbi or a minister. Since my mother wasn’t Jewish, I wasn’t considered a real Jew, so I didn’t think I could be a rabbi – and anyway, I assumed I could never learn Hebrew. When I imagined becoming a minister, I couldn’t figure out how to do that either – you see, I wasn’t baptized, so I wasn’t a real Christian, and I didn’t want to be baptized because I had learned somewhere (an untruth, I now believe) that the Nazis baptized Jewish babies and then sent them to the gas chambers. Anyhow, I was a girl, and back then girls couldn’t be ordained either as rabbis or ministers. But I loved being in the house of God, and I loved playing “Saturday-go-to-temple” and “Sunday-go-to-church.” I still remember setting up the chairs in our family room, putting my stuffed toys and dolls in straight rows, and preaching to the silent, appreciative and complacent congregation of inanimate worshippers.
How did you “process” the Call?
(Excerpt from Introduction to Chapter 5, The Question… as well as other statements from the chapter…)
Thirty-five years ago I sat in a classroom with fifty other adolescents watching the movie Let My People Go. It was the first documentary of the Holocaust, and I’ll always be haunted by the memory of emaciated corpses being pushed down a slide in the Warsaw Ghetto. At the end of the film, a young rabbi tried to elicit responses from a stunned and silent class of usually loud and obnoxious ninth graders. I’ll never forget the moment when he looked at me, the only kid with a non-Jewish parent, and said: “Tracey, you don’t look Jewish. You could have passed. What would you have done? Would you have died for your faith or denied it?” I didn’t have an answer. I didn’t know what it meant to pass. I didn’t know what it meant to die for one’s faith. I didn’t really know what my faith was. I only knew that I was angry, embarrassed, confused and alone. So I just stared back at him and finally said, “I don’t know.”
That accusatory statement, “You could have passed,” followed by the probing question, “What would you have done,” has haunted me all the days of my life. It has permeated my dreams; it has kept me awake; it has stood with me in the pulpit; and it has influenced every major life decision I have made. And just when I think I have put the accusation to rest and answered the question, it re-emerges as a beast from the deep recesses of the ocean called my unconscious. This question, “will I pass or will I claim who I am and what I believe regardless of its cost, even to death?” is the angel with whom I wrestle causing me to walk with a limp. It is the burning bush in front of which I stand barefooted, the slow burning flame that keeps alive my passion but does not consume my spirit. Whenever I travel into the wilderness of my soul, I am tempted to avoid this question’s pain and confusion. Yet, it remains the blinding flash of light that forces me to my knees when I try to run away.
You had a very intense conversation with God concerning your calling. Could you say a word about that?
(Book Excerpt…)
My first semester at Union Theological Seminary in New York City was a wrestling match with God. Exhausted from taking on someone bigger and stronger than me, I found myself walking down 42nd Street one day in January asking God to let me go. And then it happened. Suddenly, a voice called out to me from within me saying, “I’m not going to let go of you.” “What do you want with me?” I asked. “I want your life,” the voice answered. “Why me?” I responded. “Why not?” the voice replied. At this point, I realized that something was happening and I needed to stop and pay attention to this voice.. I went into a near-by McDonald’s restaurant, ordered my usual cheeseburger, fries, and coke and began frantically scribbling down a conversation with this voice from within.
The voice called me by name, identified itself as God, confronted me with my own issues and private wounds, contradicted my theology, answered lots of questions, called me to the ordained priesthood, and reassured me when I protested. The voice said, “I brought you to New York for a reason, to look beyond yourself and those like you… I want you to celebrate my Eucharist…You must feed my people…You will guide people to come to me through this and other acts…You will help people to love each other and me…. You’ve changed, why can’t others… It’s a loving revolution so be my hands and my mouth, not your own.”
In the course of the conversation, I questioned why the voice was talking with me, and it responded, “Because you’ve been asking for it.” It was true. I had been asking, begging, even challenging God to be clear with me, to help me answer The Question. And here I was – on a cold January afternoon, sitting in a McDonald’s Restaurant on 42nd Street in Manhattan, having this private conversation with a voice. At the end of our time together, I asked, “If you’re inside of me, then how can you be God.” The voice replied in words I’ll never forget, “What’s so special about me is that I’m inside of anyone and everyone who wants to know me. And, if the world would hear me and follow me, my kingdom would come.” With that comment, the conversation ended. I got up and walked home in quiet amazement, wondering if I had really spoken with almighty God. Like Mary, I kept silent and treasured these words, pondering them in my heart.
Did you share your call experience with anyone? If so, how did they respond?
Yes I did. I wrote one of my seminary professors a letter, sharing my call experience. She wrote back and told me that I had no choice but to respond. She told me, “Faith is a two way street – it is a gift from God and the decision is to accept the gift.”
What role models impacted your perception of ministry (male and female)?
Men and women have deeply influenced my life. As a child, I was in awe of Dr. MLK, Jr. I’ve also been greatly influenced by Dietrich Bonhoeffer (For two years, I slept in Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s old room at Union Theological Seminary in New York City), Mother Teresa, My Bishop and great leader of the Episcopal Church - Paul Moore and my seminary professor, Dr. Carter Haywood. I’m also inspired and impacted greatly by the urban clergy in the South Bronx - Roman Catholic Sisters who galvanize people in the faith – how they are able to embody the prophetic words of Jesus in the world – how they are able to hold onto their faith without claiming it is the only truth.
Are female pastors strong advocates for other female clergy? Why or why not?
The pastors I respect are advocates for competent and faithful clergy, regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation. I don’t believe in advocating for individuals just because of who they are, but because they are competent and called.
What challenges have you faced in your role as a clergywoman?
I have always been the first woman in my positions. What do they call you – Ms., Elder, 1st name? When I lead with strength, I have been perceived as aggressive. When men lead with strength, they are respected, beloved and viewed as a “tough but strong pastor.” When a woman is strong and holds staff and others accountable, she is viewed as a “B…” Oftentimes women pastors are viewed as “everybody’s mommy.” It is sometimes a challenge because we attract those who weren’t nurtured. We therefore find ourselves trying be all things to all people and become apologetic when we can’t.
We also find it challenging to stand up for the benefits we deserve such as salary, housing, car, vacation etc. We feel the need to suffer for some reason.
What suggestions do you have to help create greater opportunities for females desiring to become pastors?
Mentor young women. Stay in touch with young women. Suggest names of competent, called and faithful women if you are in a position to do so. Be honest with those you mentor – tell them, “try this” or “consider that.” Give them honest feed back from their sermons. Network, influence and promote them. Be a positive role model, mentor and colleague. Offer support.
What words of encouragement and caution would you give to those who are currently serving in a ministerial role?
Develop your strengths and don’t focus on your weaknesses. Be creative about what the doing of ministry looks like. Don’t believe you have to do it alone. Don’t feel that you need to take on the bad habits of some men. Change the rules a little bit. Develop the priesthood of all believers. Don’t try to micro manage. Use technology wisely – don’t fight it. Take preaching seriously – remember those 15 or 20 minutes are a great privilege. Take days off – take your vacations, eat and sleep well. Enjoy your spouse or significant other. Say your prayers – take care of yourself.
Have you ever experienced “God’s interruptions?” Have you ever decided that you were going to do or be something and God had other ideas? Do you have experiences or words of wisdom or encouragement that you’d like to share with others regarding this topic? If so, post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Wednesday, September 15, 2010
Sermon Highlights: "The Superwoman Takes a Seat!" Rev. Marie Onwubuariri
In this our final “Women Together Lifting and Serving One Another” reflection, I’d like to share highlights from a poignant, timely and powerful message delivered by our featured preacher during Thursday evening worship, the Reverend Marie Onwubuariri.
Taken from the familiar “Mary and Martha” text, Luke 10:38-42, Reverend Onwubuariri creatively spoke to us from the subject, “The Super Woman Takes a Seat.”
I will not try to re-preach her message, but rather share a few highlights that spoke volumes to we “superwomen” in ministry that need to take a seat…
Rev. Marie shared that she had an “ah-ha” moment after participating in a covenant group of other Asian women, studying Parker Palmer’s book, Let Your Life Speak. She realized that she suffered from the “Martha Syndrome,” busy, busy, busy doing ministry but burning out.
Parker Palmer says the following about vocation…
What a long time it can take to become the person one
has always been! How often in the process we mask ourselves
in faces that are not our own. How much dissolving and
shaking of ego we must endure before we discover our deep
identity--the true self within every human being that is the
seed of authentic vocation…
Discovering vocation does not mean scrambling toward some prize just
beyond my reach but accepting the treasure of true self I
already possess. Vocation does not come from a voice "out
there" calling me to become something I am not. It comes
from a voice "in here" calling me to be the person I was born
to be, to fulfill the original selfhood given me at birth by God.
Often, we are so busy reaching, striving, doing, working – being “superwoman,” taking care of parents, husband, children, sisters, friends, foes, colleagues, congregation etc., that we miss out on our true vocation – what we were born to be. Rev. Marie discovered this as she participated in the “clearness committee process.” Simply put, the clearness committee is a concept taken from the Quakers.
A person seeking clearness asks for a committee to be formed. The committee, together with the person first sits in silence. Out of the silence, the focus person explains about what he or she is seeking clearness. The role of the other committee members is not to give advice or counsel, but to ask questions in the midst of a silent atmosphere of worship that may help the person find clarity.
For Rev. Marie, clarity came as she realized that her culture, relationships and theology helped to shape her superwoman mentality. If she was going to be true to her calling, her vocation, the superwoman had to take a seat. Like Martha, Rev. Marie came face to face with Jesus’ words, you are anxious and troubled about many things, 42but one thing is necessary…
We must center ourselves, take a seat and listen for the one thing, another way to reach deeper and develop a stronger relationship with the ONE.
Superwoman, take a seat!
Are you suffering from the “superwoman syndrome?” Are you so busy serving, doing, going, preparing, being the perfectionist, crossing every “I” and dotting every “T” that you are ignoring the “one thing that is needed” - a deeper relationship with the LORD? We’d like to hear from you. Take a moment, post a comment or send me an email at Shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Taken from the familiar “Mary and Martha” text, Luke 10:38-42, Reverend Onwubuariri creatively spoke to us from the subject, “The Super Woman Takes a Seat.”
I will not try to re-preach her message, but rather share a few highlights that spoke volumes to we “superwomen” in ministry that need to take a seat…
Rev. Marie shared that she had an “ah-ha” moment after participating in a covenant group of other Asian women, studying Parker Palmer’s book, Let Your Life Speak. She realized that she suffered from the “Martha Syndrome,” busy, busy, busy doing ministry but burning out.
Parker Palmer says the following about vocation…
What a long time it can take to become the person one
has always been! How often in the process we mask ourselves
in faces that are not our own. How much dissolving and
shaking of ego we must endure before we discover our deep
identity--the true self within every human being that is the
seed of authentic vocation…
Discovering vocation does not mean scrambling toward some prize just
beyond my reach but accepting the treasure of true self I
already possess. Vocation does not come from a voice "out
there" calling me to become something I am not. It comes
from a voice "in here" calling me to be the person I was born
to be, to fulfill the original selfhood given me at birth by God.
Often, we are so busy reaching, striving, doing, working – being “superwoman,” taking care of parents, husband, children, sisters, friends, foes, colleagues, congregation etc., that we miss out on our true vocation – what we were born to be. Rev. Marie discovered this as she participated in the “clearness committee process.” Simply put, the clearness committee is a concept taken from the Quakers.
A person seeking clearness asks for a committee to be formed. The committee, together with the person first sits in silence. Out of the silence, the focus person explains about what he or she is seeking clearness. The role of the other committee members is not to give advice or counsel, but to ask questions in the midst of a silent atmosphere of worship that may help the person find clarity.
For Rev. Marie, clarity came as she realized that her culture, relationships and theology helped to shape her superwoman mentality. If she was going to be true to her calling, her vocation, the superwoman had to take a seat. Like Martha, Rev. Marie came face to face with Jesus’ words, you are anxious and troubled about many things, 42but one thing is necessary…
We must center ourselves, take a seat and listen for the one thing, another way to reach deeper and develop a stronger relationship with the ONE.
Superwoman, take a seat!
Are you suffering from the “superwoman syndrome?” Are you so busy serving, doing, going, preparing, being the perfectionist, crossing every “I” and dotting every “T” that you are ignoring the “one thing that is needed” - a deeper relationship with the LORD? We’d like to hear from you. Take a moment, post a comment or send me an email at Shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Wednesday, September 8, 2010
"Reflections on Lifting and Serving One Another"
As I reflect upon the rich experience of gathering with my “clergy sisters” at the ABC Home Missions Society’s “Women Together Lifting and Serving One Another” conference a few weeks ago, my mind keeps returning to a common theme expressed by those I met…
“How wonderful it is that we can come together as women and genuinely support, pray for and encourage one another.”
The joyous surprise expressed in the above statement subtly suggests a reality that we must begin to address: our fractured relationships as women.
Although we avoid discussing frankly those issues between and among us as women – those things that divide us, hurt us, create mistrust between us, we must face, confront and prayerfully strip the power from the proverbial elephant in the room!
During our panel discussion, one sister was bold enough to raise the question, “Why do leaders in the church remain silent regarding the things that divide us as women?” A hush fell over the panel – we wrestle to talk about it. But talk about it we must!
We must begin to honestly, lovingly and prayerfully dissect and discuss the origins and systems – historical, societal and theological issues that hinder our unity.
- What keeps us from rejoicing when one sister rises up?
- What hinders us from trusting one another?
- What stops us from saying, “Girl, you got it goin on!”
- What makes the “Cat” jump up in us, causing us to tear one another down?
- What makes us sit back and watch another sister struggle to climb through a crack in the ceiling while we sit and sip a cup of tea on the other side?
Until we can honestly deal with these issues that are very real – we will greatly struggle to lift and serve one another.
I leave with you portions of a powerful message delivered Dr. Julianne Malveaux, President, Bennett College for Women, September 4, 2008…
“…We need to think about the ways that we, in this community, can embrace, enrich, and enforce each other. My sisterfriend, Dr. Suzan Johnson Cook, likes to talk about geese and the way they lift each other, and I want us to think of ourselves as those geese, more powerful together than we are alone.
Picture the geese taking flight from the Canadian shoreline. They lift off the water in a squawking discourse. Yet, very quickly, a line begins to emerge, and it straightens, arches and bends sharply to form a perfect V shape. Canadian geese fly in V formation for a practical reason. A flock of geese flying in formation can move faster and maintain flight longer than any goose flying alone. We must be more like the geese. Synergistic. Working together. Studying together. Learning together.
By flying in the V formation, the whole flock of geese adds at least 71 percent greater flying range than if each bird flew on its own. People with a sense of community get where they are going more quickly and more easily because they are traveling together, getting synergy from each other.
…Whenever a goose falls out of formation, it feels the drag and resistance of trying to go it alone and quickly gets back into formation to take advantage of the lifting power of the bird in front. It’s like groups. When one sister tries to fall out of study mode, her group will push, prod and encourage her to fall back in line. If we are as smart as geese we will stay in formation with those headed in our direction. It’s the company we keep.
When the lead goose gets tired, she rotates back in the wing and another goose flies point. We have to take turns doing the hardest jobs, with people or with geese. We have to have each other’s back. We have to give each other a rest, a break. It’s the company we keep. Canadian geese honk from behind to encourage those up front to keep up their speed. We all need that honk sometimes, that cheering, that encouragement. If geese can do it for other geese, why can’t we do it for each other?
When a goose is sick or is wounded and falls, two geese fall out of formation to help and protect her. They stay with her until she is either able to fly or until she is dead, then they launch out on theirown or with another formation until they catch up with their own group. Like geese, we need to commit to stand by each other, protect each other, and sometimes find new folk who are going in one direction.
Geese have synergy. Do we? Synergy is defined as one plus one equals more than two. This is a synergy that we need here at Bennett. Sticking together. Holding strong with each other. Encouraging each other. Supporting our weariness. Protecting the wounded. Focusing on the good stuff, the ability to reach our highest and best when we do it together.”
Sisters, let’s seek the Lord for ways to follow the example of the geese!
If you’d like to share your experience or post a comment, please post a comment or send me an email at Shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
“How wonderful it is that we can come together as women and genuinely support, pray for and encourage one another.”
The joyous surprise expressed in the above statement subtly suggests a reality that we must begin to address: our fractured relationships as women.
Although we avoid discussing frankly those issues between and among us as women – those things that divide us, hurt us, create mistrust between us, we must face, confront and prayerfully strip the power from the proverbial elephant in the room!
During our panel discussion, one sister was bold enough to raise the question, “Why do leaders in the church remain silent regarding the things that divide us as women?” A hush fell over the panel – we wrestle to talk about it. But talk about it we must!
We must begin to honestly, lovingly and prayerfully dissect and discuss the origins and systems – historical, societal and theological issues that hinder our unity.
- What keeps us from rejoicing when one sister rises up?
- What hinders us from trusting one another?
- What stops us from saying, “Girl, you got it goin on!”
- What makes the “Cat” jump up in us, causing us to tear one another down?
- What makes us sit back and watch another sister struggle to climb through a crack in the ceiling while we sit and sip a cup of tea on the other side?
Until we can honestly deal with these issues that are very real – we will greatly struggle to lift and serve one another.
I leave with you portions of a powerful message delivered Dr. Julianne Malveaux, President, Bennett College for Women, September 4, 2008…
“…We need to think about the ways that we, in this community, can embrace, enrich, and enforce each other. My sisterfriend, Dr. Suzan Johnson Cook, likes to talk about geese and the way they lift each other, and I want us to think of ourselves as those geese, more powerful together than we are alone.
Picture the geese taking flight from the Canadian shoreline. They lift off the water in a squawking discourse. Yet, very quickly, a line begins to emerge, and it straightens, arches and bends sharply to form a perfect V shape. Canadian geese fly in V formation for a practical reason. A flock of geese flying in formation can move faster and maintain flight longer than any goose flying alone. We must be more like the geese. Synergistic. Working together. Studying together. Learning together.
By flying in the V formation, the whole flock of geese adds at least 71 percent greater flying range than if each bird flew on its own. People with a sense of community get where they are going more quickly and more easily because they are traveling together, getting synergy from each other.
…Whenever a goose falls out of formation, it feels the drag and resistance of trying to go it alone and quickly gets back into formation to take advantage of the lifting power of the bird in front. It’s like groups. When one sister tries to fall out of study mode, her group will push, prod and encourage her to fall back in line. If we are as smart as geese we will stay in formation with those headed in our direction. It’s the company we keep.
When the lead goose gets tired, she rotates back in the wing and another goose flies point. We have to take turns doing the hardest jobs, with people or with geese. We have to have each other’s back. We have to give each other a rest, a break. It’s the company we keep. Canadian geese honk from behind to encourage those up front to keep up their speed. We all need that honk sometimes, that cheering, that encouragement. If geese can do it for other geese, why can’t we do it for each other?
When a goose is sick or is wounded and falls, two geese fall out of formation to help and protect her. They stay with her until she is either able to fly or until she is dead, then they launch out on theirown or with another formation until they catch up with their own group. Like geese, we need to commit to stand by each other, protect each other, and sometimes find new folk who are going in one direction.
Geese have synergy. Do we? Synergy is defined as one plus one equals more than two. This is a synergy that we need here at Bennett. Sticking together. Holding strong with each other. Encouraging each other. Supporting our weariness. Protecting the wounded. Focusing on the good stuff, the ability to reach our highest and best when we do it together.”
Sisters, let’s seek the Lord for ways to follow the example of the geese!
If you’d like to share your experience or post a comment, please post a comment or send me an email at Shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Wednesday, September 1, 2010
Reflections From Clergywomen's Conference: Minister Carol Shannon
Over the next few weeks, “Shepastor” will feature thoughts from female clergy who attended the conference, “Women Together Lifting and Serving One Another.”
Today’s blog is an interview with an amazing clergywoman named, Minister Carol Shannon. Minister Shannon just completed a three-year term as the National Coordinator of Church and Community Ministries with American Baptist Women’s Ministries. Minister Shannon also triumphs over an eye disease called, Keratoconus, which is the progressive thinning of the cornea. As a result of this disease, Minister Shannon was visually impaired. This however, did not stop her from answering and pursuing her call to Ministry.
By faith, she accepted her calling, shared her calling with family, friends and her pastor who ultimately licensed her to preach. God so ordained that Minister Shannon received a cornea transplant approximately seven months before her initial sermon. She has been featured in, “Divine Inspiration Magazine.” The article can be found at http://issuu.com/divineinspirationsmagazine/docs/pdf_july
Below she shares here impressions of the conference a few weeks ago…
Shepastor Interview with Minister Carol Shannon
Associate Minister of Second Baptist Church of Media
Media, Pennsylvania
A few weeks ago, it was my honor and privilege to meet you at the American Baptist Home Mission’s Society’s Female Clergy Conference, “Women Together Lifting and Serving One Another.”
What drew you to the conference?
“I was searching for some answers. There was a press in my spirit that I had to be there. I didn’t know what, but I knew that there would be an answer in regards to the situation I’m in. I travel a lot with the women’s ministry and with my own ministry. There are times when we don’t want to be on the program but to be ministered to.”
How would you characterize the atmosphere of the gathering?
“I think it had a genuine openness that you may or may not experience when females get together.”
What did you find most helpful about the conference?
“Our time of sharing – the classes were good, but sharing with other clergywomen in ministry who are serving in other areas – not just the pulpit was very inspirational and helpful. It is important to remember that all areas of ministry – not just the pulpit - are needed. The openness in sharing in ministry-sometimes we think that we have this “hold” or “guard” on our ministry and we won’t share, but sharing is so important because it may help someone walk into their place of purpose.”
Was there anything that you would add or change about the conference?
“The one thing that I would add, is to make sure that we don’t forget lay ministers or licensed clergy (not yet ordained). Licensed preachers need to see themselves in leadership roles or serving on the program. That is important so it doesn’t look like you need to be an ordained minister or pastor in order to do ministry.”
At what age did you first “hear” a call to the ministry?
“I was about 35 years old.”
How did you experience the call?
“In light of the fact that I had this visual impairment, I was reading the word on my computer and God gave me Isaiah 61. It kept pressing on my spirit. As I struggled to read the words, just staring at the computer screen, I began to question the Lord… ‘I can’t see, how am I going to preach and read your word if I can’t see?’ And the Lord gave me 1 Peter 4:11 which talks about God dealing with the abilities that He has given us.. Like Mary, I just pondered it in my heart. Afterwards, I asked the Lord to confirm what I thought I heard Him saying. He did just that. When I would hear sermons, or scriptures, or when my pastor was preaching (at the time he was preaching on wrestling with God) I kept hearing Isaiah 61 or another scripture related to preaching the Gospel. I told no one, not even my husband. For a while, it kind of stopped there.”
Did you share your call experience with anyone? If so, how did they respond?
“I shared it with my husband first and he was not surprised at all. He said, ‘ok I always knew you had a call on your life because of the way you handle the Word.’ At the time I was serving as a youth leader. He was watching me come up with the lessons and teaching the children. He told me that it came naturally and he was not surprised.
Then I told my best girlfriend. She was not surprised either. She said that God just took the energy and boldness that I had in the world and made it be for Him.
How long did it take after acknowledging your call to become licensed and or ordained?
“It took approximately a year and a half to become licensed.”
How would you describe your journey into the ministry?
“Challenging. I was a trailblazer. I didn’t have anyone to walk the path before me. I was the first female licensed at my church. It was new for everyone - myself, the congregation, the pastor. Like a mother for the first time, there weren’t any manuals to follow. I was challenged by my own prejudices – what do I do with me? How do I handle me etc. I came from the school of thought that women could not be preachers - very challenging. The Lord was calling me into a new arena. I’m a shy person. He was calling me to be out front. In my family, I was the first female to answer the call. I come from a family of preachers. One family member said, ‘You’ll become a preacher over my dead body!’ I told them to be careful because God may serve them just that! Over all they supported my calling, but they questioned, what to do with me. My family of pastors did not have female clergy in their pulpit.”
What role models impacted your perception of ministry (male and female)?
“A lady in the congregation gave me the book, Those Preachin Women by Dr. Ella Mitchell. She said the Lord pressed upon her spirit to give me a bunch of books. Another book was, Daughters of Thunder. She also gave me Christian Ed books. My cousin who is a preacher began to take me to hear female preachers and introduced and encouraged me to talk to them. My uncle also encouraged me to go out and hear ‘educated’ preachers so that I would not develop bad habits as a female minister. He said, ‘You will not be silly in ministry!’”
How did you become who you are (multifaceted question I know!)?
“I think more or less my over all life experiences. I believe the last 5 years of my eye disease really helped shape who I am in terms of knowing God is with me. I truly live the scripture, ‘we walk by faith and not by sight.’ I was living the impossible if you will - Going to school on public transportation, not being able to see the steps I’m walking down, taking night classes with night blindness - I was living the impossible. Things that didn’t make sense, but I was making it – God was with me. Not only did I go to school, I was on the Dean’s list! I think that the women he allowed me to meet during the time of my mobility training at the Blind Center and then that type of training itself helped to mold me. The training ‘ messes with your ego’ because you are still sighted to some degree, but still having to use a cane. It humbles you. He gave me Proverbs 16:18, ‘Pride goes before a fall.’
Dealing with the challenges that I had to become licensed to even be recognized – that was a challenge in and of itself. These were the critical factors that have shaped and molded who I am.”
You are the founder and director of a clergywomen’s ministry. Please say a word about that…
“Yes I am the founder and director of, “Women of Excellence With Purpose.” The goal of the ministry is to teach and exhort women to use their gifts to do the work of the ministry that God has called them to.
(http://wewp-excellencewithpurpose.ning.com) Our motto is “Destined to Grow and Determined to Do it” We have a special affinity for those women called and or serving in the Gospel Ministry. We long to provide a nurturing and mentoring environment.”
What challenges have you faced in your role as a clergywoman?
“Not being allowed on some pulpits, or being asked to preach from the floor, only being recognized as a preacher on women’s Sunday or something that pertains to women. Any other time I’m just “sister so and so.” Not being taught pulpit etiquette, but required to know it. Although the men were taught. The men were corrected, but I was left to fend for myself.”
What suggestions do you have to help create greater opportunities for female clergy?
"Clergywomen should do 2 things – be willing to share their story – be transparent whether it is a struggle or not. If God has allowed you to move along in ministry, don’t forget to reach back and help open the door for someone else.
In my struggle, I found it helpful when I moved out of my nitch and went and looked at other cultures and denominations. I looked at other women who did not necessarily agree with me, but had similar circumstances or experiences. Our likenesses helped to support and nurture me to move to the next place.
Others who are not female clergy can help by opening the doors that they are in a position to open. More importantly they can help by joining us in prayer that hearts are changed towards women in ministry.”
What words of encouragement and caution would you give to those who are currently serving in a ministerial role?
"Remain humble and walk humbly before the Lord. Don’t exert your authority in areas where it is not appropriate."
Is there anything else you’d like to share that you believe would help other clergywomen along the journey?
"I just hope and pray that as women we begin to accept one another, accept and embrace our differences and if by chance we had a bitter experience coming into ministry, prayerfully we will not try to “haze” others as they come along. We want to be better, not bitter."
Minister Shannon’s testimony is powerful and insightful. Did you attended the conference? Do you have insights and/or experiences that you would like to share? Post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next week,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Today’s blog is an interview with an amazing clergywoman named, Minister Carol Shannon. Minister Shannon just completed a three-year term as the National Coordinator of Church and Community Ministries with American Baptist Women’s Ministries. Minister Shannon also triumphs over an eye disease called, Keratoconus, which is the progressive thinning of the cornea. As a result of this disease, Minister Shannon was visually impaired. This however, did not stop her from answering and pursuing her call to Ministry.
By faith, she accepted her calling, shared her calling with family, friends and her pastor who ultimately licensed her to preach. God so ordained that Minister Shannon received a cornea transplant approximately seven months before her initial sermon. She has been featured in, “Divine Inspiration Magazine.” The article can be found at http://issuu.com/divineinspirationsmagazine/docs/pdf_july
Below she shares here impressions of the conference a few weeks ago…
Shepastor Interview with Minister Carol Shannon
Associate Minister of Second Baptist Church of Media
Media, Pennsylvania
A few weeks ago, it was my honor and privilege to meet you at the American Baptist Home Mission’s Society’s Female Clergy Conference, “Women Together Lifting and Serving One Another.”
What drew you to the conference?
“I was searching for some answers. There was a press in my spirit that I had to be there. I didn’t know what, but I knew that there would be an answer in regards to the situation I’m in. I travel a lot with the women’s ministry and with my own ministry. There are times when we don’t want to be on the program but to be ministered to.”
How would you characterize the atmosphere of the gathering?
“I think it had a genuine openness that you may or may not experience when females get together.”
What did you find most helpful about the conference?
“Our time of sharing – the classes were good, but sharing with other clergywomen in ministry who are serving in other areas – not just the pulpit was very inspirational and helpful. It is important to remember that all areas of ministry – not just the pulpit - are needed. The openness in sharing in ministry-sometimes we think that we have this “hold” or “guard” on our ministry and we won’t share, but sharing is so important because it may help someone walk into their place of purpose.”
Was there anything that you would add or change about the conference?
“The one thing that I would add, is to make sure that we don’t forget lay ministers or licensed clergy (not yet ordained). Licensed preachers need to see themselves in leadership roles or serving on the program. That is important so it doesn’t look like you need to be an ordained minister or pastor in order to do ministry.”
At what age did you first “hear” a call to the ministry?
“I was about 35 years old.”
How did you experience the call?
“In light of the fact that I had this visual impairment, I was reading the word on my computer and God gave me Isaiah 61. It kept pressing on my spirit. As I struggled to read the words, just staring at the computer screen, I began to question the Lord… ‘I can’t see, how am I going to preach and read your word if I can’t see?’ And the Lord gave me 1 Peter 4:11 which talks about God dealing with the abilities that He has given us.. Like Mary, I just pondered it in my heart. Afterwards, I asked the Lord to confirm what I thought I heard Him saying. He did just that. When I would hear sermons, or scriptures, or when my pastor was preaching (at the time he was preaching on wrestling with God) I kept hearing Isaiah 61 or another scripture related to preaching the Gospel. I told no one, not even my husband. For a while, it kind of stopped there.”
Did you share your call experience with anyone? If so, how did they respond?
“I shared it with my husband first and he was not surprised at all. He said, ‘ok I always knew you had a call on your life because of the way you handle the Word.’ At the time I was serving as a youth leader. He was watching me come up with the lessons and teaching the children. He told me that it came naturally and he was not surprised.
Then I told my best girlfriend. She was not surprised either. She said that God just took the energy and boldness that I had in the world and made it be for Him.
How long did it take after acknowledging your call to become licensed and or ordained?
“It took approximately a year and a half to become licensed.”
How would you describe your journey into the ministry?
“Challenging. I was a trailblazer. I didn’t have anyone to walk the path before me. I was the first female licensed at my church. It was new for everyone - myself, the congregation, the pastor. Like a mother for the first time, there weren’t any manuals to follow. I was challenged by my own prejudices – what do I do with me? How do I handle me etc. I came from the school of thought that women could not be preachers - very challenging. The Lord was calling me into a new arena. I’m a shy person. He was calling me to be out front. In my family, I was the first female to answer the call. I come from a family of preachers. One family member said, ‘You’ll become a preacher over my dead body!’ I told them to be careful because God may serve them just that! Over all they supported my calling, but they questioned, what to do with me. My family of pastors did not have female clergy in their pulpit.”
What role models impacted your perception of ministry (male and female)?
“A lady in the congregation gave me the book, Those Preachin Women by Dr. Ella Mitchell. She said the Lord pressed upon her spirit to give me a bunch of books. Another book was, Daughters of Thunder. She also gave me Christian Ed books. My cousin who is a preacher began to take me to hear female preachers and introduced and encouraged me to talk to them. My uncle also encouraged me to go out and hear ‘educated’ preachers so that I would not develop bad habits as a female minister. He said, ‘You will not be silly in ministry!’”
How did you become who you are (multifaceted question I know!)?
“I think more or less my over all life experiences. I believe the last 5 years of my eye disease really helped shape who I am in terms of knowing God is with me. I truly live the scripture, ‘we walk by faith and not by sight.’ I was living the impossible if you will - Going to school on public transportation, not being able to see the steps I’m walking down, taking night classes with night blindness - I was living the impossible. Things that didn’t make sense, but I was making it – God was with me. Not only did I go to school, I was on the Dean’s list! I think that the women he allowed me to meet during the time of my mobility training at the Blind Center and then that type of training itself helped to mold me. The training ‘ messes with your ego’ because you are still sighted to some degree, but still having to use a cane. It humbles you. He gave me Proverbs 16:18, ‘Pride goes before a fall.’
Dealing with the challenges that I had to become licensed to even be recognized – that was a challenge in and of itself. These were the critical factors that have shaped and molded who I am.”
You are the founder and director of a clergywomen’s ministry. Please say a word about that…
“Yes I am the founder and director of, “Women of Excellence With Purpose.” The goal of the ministry is to teach and exhort women to use their gifts to do the work of the ministry that God has called them to.
(http://wewp-excellencewithpurpose.ning.com) Our motto is “Destined to Grow and Determined to Do it” We have a special affinity for those women called and or serving in the Gospel Ministry. We long to provide a nurturing and mentoring environment.”
What challenges have you faced in your role as a clergywoman?
“Not being allowed on some pulpits, or being asked to preach from the floor, only being recognized as a preacher on women’s Sunday or something that pertains to women. Any other time I’m just “sister so and so.” Not being taught pulpit etiquette, but required to know it. Although the men were taught. The men were corrected, but I was left to fend for myself.”
What suggestions do you have to help create greater opportunities for female clergy?
"Clergywomen should do 2 things – be willing to share their story – be transparent whether it is a struggle or not. If God has allowed you to move along in ministry, don’t forget to reach back and help open the door for someone else.
In my struggle, I found it helpful when I moved out of my nitch and went and looked at other cultures and denominations. I looked at other women who did not necessarily agree with me, but had similar circumstances or experiences. Our likenesses helped to support and nurture me to move to the next place.
Others who are not female clergy can help by opening the doors that they are in a position to open. More importantly they can help by joining us in prayer that hearts are changed towards women in ministry.”
What words of encouragement and caution would you give to those who are currently serving in a ministerial role?
"Remain humble and walk humbly before the Lord. Don’t exert your authority in areas where it is not appropriate."
Is there anything else you’d like to share that you believe would help other clergywomen along the journey?
"I just hope and pray that as women we begin to accept one another, accept and embrace our differences and if by chance we had a bitter experience coming into ministry, prayerfully we will not try to “haze” others as they come along. We want to be better, not bitter."
Minister Shannon’s testimony is powerful and insightful. Did you attended the conference? Do you have insights and/or experiences that you would like to share? Post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next week,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Wednesday, August 25, 2010
“We’ve Come this Far By Faith: Women Together Lifting and Serving One Another”
For approximately one year, I have been privileged to work with a wonderful team of clergywomen to develop, plan and carry out last week’s female clergy conference, “Women Together Lifting and Serving One Another.” Rev. Yvonne Carter, Managing Director, Event Development - ABC Home Mission Societies; Rev. Dr. Wilma Johnson, Senior Pastor (and Host Pastor for the conference) of New Prospect Missionary Baptist Church and Rev. Marilyn Turner, Associate Executive Director, Program Ministries ABHMS prayed, strategized, “conference called” and surrendered our work to God and He gets the glory!
Clergywomen from across the country came to Detroit, Michigan to attend the conference. What a glorious, victorious, powerful time we had in the LORD! The conference was held on the “campus” of the New Prospect Baptist Church where the Rev. Dr. Wilma R. Johnson joyfully serves as Senior Pastor. What an amazing ministry they have! Each day a warm, welcoming and accommodating team of volunteers met us and assisted us in anyway needed.
The women worshipped together, prayed together, cried together, praised together and shared testimonies together regarding our ministry experiences and life journeys. Excellent, anointed, Holy Ghost filled women served as worship leaders, panelists, preachers and workshop facilitators. Together we grappled with issues among and between women – what helps and hinders our relationships and how we can push past the hurts of yesterday in order to embrace the blessings ahead.
Through powerful sermons and workshops, we were challenged to admit that we are not “Superwomen,” but called to take hold of that “one thing” (as Jesus told Martha) – to rest and be in relationship with Jesus Christ. Something was available for everyone! Workshops were designed to further equip, enhance, encourage and instruct senior pastors as well as ministers serving in a variety of capacities (associate/assistant ministers, pastoral counselors and chaplains).
Here’s a taste of the wonderful opportunities we experienced…
DYNAMIC WORSHIP LEADERS: Sister Joyce Lake and Sister Lizzett Alvarado
For Senior Pastors:
Workshop SP 1
“Giving Away My Joy: Navigating the Waters of Pastoral Leadership”
Dr. Wilma Johnson, Pastor, New Prospect Missionary Baptist Church,
Detroit, Mich. God wants us to be successful in our leadership roles.
This workshop focused upon awakening our hearts to can reach God-sized visions
and goals.
Workshop SP 2
“Pastor as Person: Balancing Life and Ministry”
Rev. Peg Nowling, Pastor, First Baptist Church, Lafayette, Ind.
Conquering the Oz Syndrome: Using the classic “Wizard of Oz,” we discussed
how to examine and own our choices and move ahead to find the
lives we need and want.
Additional Ministries…
Workshop SM 3
“Whole Woman/Whole Ministry”
Rev. Michelle M. Holmes, Vice President/Chief Financial Officer,
American Baptist Seminary of the West, Berkeley, Calif.
Feeling out of balance—taking care of ministry, but not yourself? This
interactive workshop shared ways to maintain balance when ministry
demands conspire to keep us off balance.
Workshop SM 4
“Classism, Power, and Influence—Challenges in Ministry in and Beyond
the Local Church and Religious Community”
Rev. Marilyn P. Turner, Associate Executive Director, Center for Mission
and Ministry, American Baptist Home Mission Societies
This workshop explored the roots of and cures for some of the
“girls’-club-isms” that can threaten the ministry potential of women.
General Ministry
Workshop GM 5
“Defining the Ministry: We All Have Gifts…Stay in your Lane”
Dr. Deedee Coleman, Pastor, Russell Street Baptist Church, Detroit, Mich.
This workshop helped participants define the ministry they have been called
to do. It was designed to explore how to stay in your lane by using and
nurturing the gifts God has given you! It also explored the dos and don’ts of
ministry along with staying focused on your task while supporting and
encouraging others.
Workshop GM 6
“The Power, Purpose, and Importance of Prayer in the Life of the Minister”
Dr. Liliana DaValle, Executive Minister, American Baptist Churches
of Rhode Island
This workshop explored the dynamics of a vibrant prayer life as a
necessary and indispensable tool for a healthy and successful ministry.
Focus of the Panel Discussion… “Issues of Support and Encouragement Between and Among Women in Ministry”
As female clergy coming together to “lift and serve one another,” it is
important to identify issues that tend to affect our relationships as
women. The panel discussion explored historic, theological and
cultural factors that inhibit fruitful mentoring and supportive ministry
partnerships. Panelists shared their perspectives and offered suggestions
concerning how we can overcome those factors when they exist and
sincerely support one another in Christian love.
Panel Moderator
Rev. Christine A. Smith, Pastor, Covenant Baptist Church, Wickliffe, Ohio
Panelists
Rev. Judy G. Allbee, Executive Minister, American Baptist Churches
of Connecticut
Rev. Patricia P. Hernandez, Consultant for Leadership Development,
American Baptist Churches of Michigan
Ms. Lunick Papin, Haitian Alliance, Bridgeport, Conn.
Rev. Naomi Kirstein, Pastor, Wellspring Community Church,
Des Moines, Iowa
Rev. Wilma Johnson, Pastor, New Prospect Missionary Baptist Church,
Detroit, Mich.
Rev. Marilyn P. Turner, Associate Executive Director, Center for Mission
and Ministry, American Baptist Home Mission Societies
Friday Evening Spiritual Direction Sessions
Rev. Patricia P. Hernandez, Certified in Spiritual Direction,
Shalom Institute of Spiritual Formation, Bethesda, Md.
The spiritual life is concerned with our relationship with God. Spiritual
direction involves paying attention to the movement of God in our lives.
Participants were given the opportunity to sign up on-site for a one-on-one session with Rev. Hernandez.
Rev. Marie Onwubuariri MacArthur Community Baptist Church,
San Pablo, Calif.; Preached Thursday Evening, “The Super Woman Takes a Seat!”
Luke 10: 38-42
Dr. Jan McCormack Assistant Professor of Chaplaincy and
Pastoral Counseling, Denver Seminary, Littleton, Colo.;
Friday Afternoon Self-Care Seminar: “The Death of the Superwoman Syndrome”
Dr. Charles Adams Pastor, Hartford Memorial Baptist Church,
Detroit, Mich.; Friday Evening Worship
Oh what a time, what time! If you did not make it – you missed a tremendous blessing. However, here’s some good news – the women have requested that we do this again next year! Let’s pray together that God will open the necessary doors to make this time of refreshing and renewal available again in the coming year. Also, you will have an opportunity to meet some of the wonderful sisters I was privileged to meet during the conference through the upcoming blogs. Their testimonies will inspire, uplift and encourage you as their journeys come to life through the sharing of their ministerial experiences.
Have questions about the conference? Were you a participant? Do you have a testimony of praise and/or special insight that you would like to share? Post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Clergywomen from across the country came to Detroit, Michigan to attend the conference. What a glorious, victorious, powerful time we had in the LORD! The conference was held on the “campus” of the New Prospect Baptist Church where the Rev. Dr. Wilma R. Johnson joyfully serves as Senior Pastor. What an amazing ministry they have! Each day a warm, welcoming and accommodating team of volunteers met us and assisted us in anyway needed.
The women worshipped together, prayed together, cried together, praised together and shared testimonies together regarding our ministry experiences and life journeys. Excellent, anointed, Holy Ghost filled women served as worship leaders, panelists, preachers and workshop facilitators. Together we grappled with issues among and between women – what helps and hinders our relationships and how we can push past the hurts of yesterday in order to embrace the blessings ahead.
Through powerful sermons and workshops, we were challenged to admit that we are not “Superwomen,” but called to take hold of that “one thing” (as Jesus told Martha) – to rest and be in relationship with Jesus Christ. Something was available for everyone! Workshops were designed to further equip, enhance, encourage and instruct senior pastors as well as ministers serving in a variety of capacities (associate/assistant ministers, pastoral counselors and chaplains).
Here’s a taste of the wonderful opportunities we experienced…
DYNAMIC WORSHIP LEADERS: Sister Joyce Lake and Sister Lizzett Alvarado
For Senior Pastors:
Workshop SP 1
“Giving Away My Joy: Navigating the Waters of Pastoral Leadership”
Dr. Wilma Johnson, Pastor, New Prospect Missionary Baptist Church,
Detroit, Mich. God wants us to be successful in our leadership roles.
This workshop focused upon awakening our hearts to can reach God-sized visions
and goals.
Workshop SP 2
“Pastor as Person: Balancing Life and Ministry”
Rev. Peg Nowling, Pastor, First Baptist Church, Lafayette, Ind.
Conquering the Oz Syndrome: Using the classic “Wizard of Oz,” we discussed
how to examine and own our choices and move ahead to find the
lives we need and want.
Additional Ministries…
Workshop SM 3
“Whole Woman/Whole Ministry”
Rev. Michelle M. Holmes, Vice President/Chief Financial Officer,
American Baptist Seminary of the West, Berkeley, Calif.
Feeling out of balance—taking care of ministry, but not yourself? This
interactive workshop shared ways to maintain balance when ministry
demands conspire to keep us off balance.
Workshop SM 4
“Classism, Power, and Influence—Challenges in Ministry in and Beyond
the Local Church and Religious Community”
Rev. Marilyn P. Turner, Associate Executive Director, Center for Mission
and Ministry, American Baptist Home Mission Societies
This workshop explored the roots of and cures for some of the
“girls’-club-isms” that can threaten the ministry potential of women.
General Ministry
Workshop GM 5
“Defining the Ministry: We All Have Gifts…Stay in your Lane”
Dr. Deedee Coleman, Pastor, Russell Street Baptist Church, Detroit, Mich.
This workshop helped participants define the ministry they have been called
to do. It was designed to explore how to stay in your lane by using and
nurturing the gifts God has given you! It also explored the dos and don’ts of
ministry along with staying focused on your task while supporting and
encouraging others.
Workshop GM 6
“The Power, Purpose, and Importance of Prayer in the Life of the Minister”
Dr. Liliana DaValle, Executive Minister, American Baptist Churches
of Rhode Island
This workshop explored the dynamics of a vibrant prayer life as a
necessary and indispensable tool for a healthy and successful ministry.
Focus of the Panel Discussion… “Issues of Support and Encouragement Between and Among Women in Ministry”
As female clergy coming together to “lift and serve one another,” it is
important to identify issues that tend to affect our relationships as
women. The panel discussion explored historic, theological and
cultural factors that inhibit fruitful mentoring and supportive ministry
partnerships. Panelists shared their perspectives and offered suggestions
concerning how we can overcome those factors when they exist and
sincerely support one another in Christian love.
Panel Moderator
Rev. Christine A. Smith, Pastor, Covenant Baptist Church, Wickliffe, Ohio
Panelists
Rev. Judy G. Allbee, Executive Minister, American Baptist Churches
of Connecticut
Rev. Patricia P. Hernandez, Consultant for Leadership Development,
American Baptist Churches of Michigan
Ms. Lunick Papin, Haitian Alliance, Bridgeport, Conn.
Rev. Naomi Kirstein, Pastor, Wellspring Community Church,
Des Moines, Iowa
Rev. Wilma Johnson, Pastor, New Prospect Missionary Baptist Church,
Detroit, Mich.
Rev. Marilyn P. Turner, Associate Executive Director, Center for Mission
and Ministry, American Baptist Home Mission Societies
Friday Evening Spiritual Direction Sessions
Rev. Patricia P. Hernandez, Certified in Spiritual Direction,
Shalom Institute of Spiritual Formation, Bethesda, Md.
The spiritual life is concerned with our relationship with God. Spiritual
direction involves paying attention to the movement of God in our lives.
Participants were given the opportunity to sign up on-site for a one-on-one session with Rev. Hernandez.
Rev. Marie Onwubuariri MacArthur Community Baptist Church,
San Pablo, Calif.; Preached Thursday Evening, “The Super Woman Takes a Seat!”
Luke 10: 38-42
Dr. Jan McCormack Assistant Professor of Chaplaincy and
Pastoral Counseling, Denver Seminary, Littleton, Colo.;
Friday Afternoon Self-Care Seminar: “The Death of the Superwoman Syndrome”
Dr. Charles Adams Pastor, Hartford Memorial Baptist Church,
Detroit, Mich.; Friday Evening Worship
Oh what a time, what time! If you did not make it – you missed a tremendous blessing. However, here’s some good news – the women have requested that we do this again next year! Let’s pray together that God will open the necessary doors to make this time of refreshing and renewal available again in the coming year. Also, you will have an opportunity to meet some of the wonderful sisters I was privileged to meet during the conference through the upcoming blogs. Their testimonies will inspire, uplift and encourage you as their journeys come to life through the sharing of their ministerial experiences.
Have questions about the conference? Were you a participant? Do you have a testimony of praise and/or special insight that you would like to share? Post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Wednesday, August 18, 2010
"We've Come This Far by Faith: Let God Use You! Interview with The Rev. Sylvia Wilson
In 1987, I arrived on the campus of the Interdenominational Theological Center in Atlanta, Georgia. I did not know a soul, literally! The dorm I was assigned to was newly built and had not been completed. Students assigned to that dorm had to find a place to stay until the dorm was opened. As students began to gravitate towards one school/dorm official or another, I stood there shocked and frozen. Where in the world would I go? One by one, cars pulled away, students laughing and making acquaintances walked down the campus sidewalks and I just stood there with my suitcases and boxes.
Suddenly, a beautiful dark brown skinned lady with a silver afro approached me and said, “Hi, my name is Sylvia. I’m one of the students from Johnson C. Smith seminary. Do you have a place to stay? If not, you can come to my house until the dorms are ready.” What a blessing and a relief! She took another young lady and I into her home for two months until our dorm was ready. She gave us room and board freely and never complained a word. That’s just Rev. Syliva Wilson! She taught us the true meaning of ministry by letting God use her to assist two young, struggling seminarians and encouraging us to go forward and do our best.
In today’s blog, Rev. Wilson candidly shares the importance of letting God use us in practical ways whether in the pastorate or some other ministry.
Interview with Rev. Sylvia Wilson
Honorably Retired Presbyterian Clergywoman
Atlanta, Georgia
At what age did you first “hear” a call to the ministry?
“I had an audible call to ministry in my late 30’s. I lived in Kansas City at the time. I was heading to a 4H meeting in Minnesota. We had a bus load of people. Over night we were staying at a hotel. They put 4 adult women in two twin beds. That night was when the call came. I heard God say, ‘Stop worrying about the small things and get on with my business!’"
What did you interpret that to mean?
“That God wanted me to minister in practical ways. I had toyed with the idea of working in the church from working in the Presbytery office. I loved the work, loved the environment and I loved the people.”
Did you share your call experience with anyone? If so, how did they respond?
“After I started crying from being filled with the spirit, and after I woke up everybody in the room, I told them. They were excited. Later I shared it with the Presbytery staff. In our denomination, a call needs to be affirmed by a body. Even when God calls, there has to be an affirmation by another body of believers.”
Did you experience any opposition or negative responses to the sharing of your call.
“None that I was aware of.”
How would you describe your journey into the ministry?
“I would say my journey into the ministry started with seminary – ITC, Johnson C. Smith. It was a series of fortuitous events because I did not have any models of women preachers, especially black women. Even at the age of 40, I’d not seen women preachers. One of my other concerns was that I had been Afro Centric for a long time – I wanted to work in the Black Community, but my denomination was predominantly white. But soon, a new understanding was opened for me. I attended a conference and Katie Cannon was leading an early morning Bible Study.
She at that time was a candidate for the Ph.D. Degree. Her approach to the interpretation of scripture clicked with me even as a novice layperson. Plus she had a big ole ‘fro.’ She was teaching what I came to know as Liberation Theology.
I still did not know a place to go and get training. I looked at seminaries in and around Kansas City. A secretary at the Presbytery office said, ‘Sylvia, have you heard of Johnson C. Smith?’ That’s how I found out about JCS. There was a meeting in Atlanta so I visited ITC and fell in love with it. It was right- It did what I thought God was calling me to do and it made sense to me.”
What role models impacted your perception of ministry (male and female)?
"In addition to Dr. Katie Cannon…
My pastor in Kansas City, The Rev. Dr. Sam Mann. I think the seeds are planted for our call early in life, so Rev. Mann reinforced theological understandings that I gained as a 6 and 7 year old child in a Baptist Church, where the Pastor was Rev. Hollins. Dr. Jacquelyn Grant with the 'Womanist Approach,' that is not as objectionable to men as feminist theology. She expanded my understanding of the groups that were laboring under oppression and discrimination. She helped me to see that we as women are also an oppressed minority. Rev. Ella Busby, a classmate, also modeled for me the importance of remaining anchored and focused upon your relationship with God and the call placed upon your life.”
Have you ever served as a senior/solo pastor?
“Yes.”
How many years?
“6-8 years collectively”
Is it your experience that female pastors are strong advocates for other female clergy? Why or why not?
“Yes and No. There are some female clergy who go out of their way to assist those who are younger in the ministry – future generations of female leadership (clergy and lay). On the other hand, I have seen many clergy women who are just as self-centered and pre-occupied as some brethren. There are those who are looking to climb ‘Jacob’s Ladder’ (as opposed to the corporate ladder!) We all know them. I think that this is especially a challenge for those who are in denominations with hierarchy.”
What challenges did you face in your role as senior/solo pastor?
“I think the challenges that I faced had primarily to do with not having a model or mentor in general - Not knowing the questions to ask, Just not knowing. I developed the necessary strategies later rather than sooner. My biggest challenges came from a lack of information. . . not attacks. I believe that was the case because I was an older person."
What suggestions do you have to help create greater opportunities for females desiring to become pastors?
"Be open to other possibilities because there are many ways to preach and it doesn’t have to be solely as a pastor. We get so focused on becoming a pastor when that may or may not be our call. There are many ways to serve God’s people in addition to preaching from the pulpit.
In terms of creating greater opportunities for females to be a shepherd of the flock – Number one, we have to prepare ourselves in a variety of ways, theologically speaking and especially for us emotionally speaking, we need to network and we have to spiritually prepare ourselves. Ministry requires a strong spiritual center so that you can continue to hear the voice of God amidst all of the minutia as you consider various areas of interest."
What words of wisdom or advice would you share with women who feel called to become a senior pastor?
"I believe those of us who are called to be pastors are to pastor if it is only a, a few weeks, a few months, a few years or longer. We have an obligation to those who come behind us to give it our best and to love God’s people. I think women are socialized to do that better than perhaps our brothers in the ministry. Pastoring is a place to show the best of who we are as human beings. Show kindness, love and respect. It doesn’t mean being a door mat, but we can demonstrate the fruit of the spirit. Sometimes we set that aside as we go into these official positions – that’s not what Christ did. Use Christ as the model instead of the Bishop!”
What words of encouragement and caution would you give to those who are currently serving in that role?
“Recognize that it is a hard ‘row to hoe!’ We must take care of ourselves – that is imperative. I’m tired of seeing us die, overweight and going into drugs and promiscuity out of sadness, stress, frustration and pain.
God is doing a new thing. Church as we once knew it will not be anymore. In established congregations, the membership is changing dramatically. Communication and expectations are changing dramatically. The old ways of being ‘church’ don’t necessarily fit. We have to pray for discernment of what is coming.
The other side of it is outside of the church. There are Christians who are not associated with any congregation. They want a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and they are willing to work, but they are not going to take the ‘stuff’ that older generations took. They have too many options.
We have to talk with the younger generations, listen to them, take them seriously and we need to push them to give answers that make sense. We’ve got to be patient with them. They’ve got to learn their own lessons- they can’t learn our lessons. We’ve got to love them unconditionally.
Have fun – When ministry is no longer enjoyable there is something wrong. You have got to get some fulfillment out of it. God has no desire to have ministry tear us apart as much as we allow it to do so.” End of Interview
Everyone is not called to become a senior/solo pastor. What is your calling? Has God called you to preach, but not necessarily pastor? Has God called you to serve in some other capacity? What words of encouragement and or advice would you like to share with other clergy sisters? Post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
Suddenly, a beautiful dark brown skinned lady with a silver afro approached me and said, “Hi, my name is Sylvia. I’m one of the students from Johnson C. Smith seminary. Do you have a place to stay? If not, you can come to my house until the dorms are ready.” What a blessing and a relief! She took another young lady and I into her home for two months until our dorm was ready. She gave us room and board freely and never complained a word. That’s just Rev. Syliva Wilson! She taught us the true meaning of ministry by letting God use her to assist two young, struggling seminarians and encouraging us to go forward and do our best.
In today’s blog, Rev. Wilson candidly shares the importance of letting God use us in practical ways whether in the pastorate or some other ministry.
Interview with Rev. Sylvia Wilson
Honorably Retired Presbyterian Clergywoman
Atlanta, Georgia
At what age did you first “hear” a call to the ministry?
“I had an audible call to ministry in my late 30’s. I lived in Kansas City at the time. I was heading to a 4H meeting in Minnesota. We had a bus load of people. Over night we were staying at a hotel. They put 4 adult women in two twin beds. That night was when the call came. I heard God say, ‘Stop worrying about the small things and get on with my business!’"
What did you interpret that to mean?
“That God wanted me to minister in practical ways. I had toyed with the idea of working in the church from working in the Presbytery office. I loved the work, loved the environment and I loved the people.”
Did you share your call experience with anyone? If so, how did they respond?
“After I started crying from being filled with the spirit, and after I woke up everybody in the room, I told them. They were excited. Later I shared it with the Presbytery staff. In our denomination, a call needs to be affirmed by a body. Even when God calls, there has to be an affirmation by another body of believers.”
Did you experience any opposition or negative responses to the sharing of your call.
“None that I was aware of.”
How would you describe your journey into the ministry?
“I would say my journey into the ministry started with seminary – ITC, Johnson C. Smith. It was a series of fortuitous events because I did not have any models of women preachers, especially black women. Even at the age of 40, I’d not seen women preachers. One of my other concerns was that I had been Afro Centric for a long time – I wanted to work in the Black Community, but my denomination was predominantly white. But soon, a new understanding was opened for me. I attended a conference and Katie Cannon was leading an early morning Bible Study.
She at that time was a candidate for the Ph.D. Degree. Her approach to the interpretation of scripture clicked with me even as a novice layperson. Plus she had a big ole ‘fro.’ She was teaching what I came to know as Liberation Theology.
I still did not know a place to go and get training. I looked at seminaries in and around Kansas City. A secretary at the Presbytery office said, ‘Sylvia, have you heard of Johnson C. Smith?’ That’s how I found out about JCS. There was a meeting in Atlanta so I visited ITC and fell in love with it. It was right- It did what I thought God was calling me to do and it made sense to me.”
What role models impacted your perception of ministry (male and female)?
"In addition to Dr. Katie Cannon…
My pastor in Kansas City, The Rev. Dr. Sam Mann. I think the seeds are planted for our call early in life, so Rev. Mann reinforced theological understandings that I gained as a 6 and 7 year old child in a Baptist Church, where the Pastor was Rev. Hollins. Dr. Jacquelyn Grant with the 'Womanist Approach,' that is not as objectionable to men as feminist theology. She expanded my understanding of the groups that were laboring under oppression and discrimination. She helped me to see that we as women are also an oppressed minority. Rev. Ella Busby, a classmate, also modeled for me the importance of remaining anchored and focused upon your relationship with God and the call placed upon your life.”
Have you ever served as a senior/solo pastor?
“Yes.”
How many years?
“6-8 years collectively”
Is it your experience that female pastors are strong advocates for other female clergy? Why or why not?
“Yes and No. There are some female clergy who go out of their way to assist those who are younger in the ministry – future generations of female leadership (clergy and lay). On the other hand, I have seen many clergy women who are just as self-centered and pre-occupied as some brethren. There are those who are looking to climb ‘Jacob’s Ladder’ (as opposed to the corporate ladder!) We all know them. I think that this is especially a challenge for those who are in denominations with hierarchy.”
What challenges did you face in your role as senior/solo pastor?
“I think the challenges that I faced had primarily to do with not having a model or mentor in general - Not knowing the questions to ask, Just not knowing. I developed the necessary strategies later rather than sooner. My biggest challenges came from a lack of information. . . not attacks. I believe that was the case because I was an older person."
What suggestions do you have to help create greater opportunities for females desiring to become pastors?
"Be open to other possibilities because there are many ways to preach and it doesn’t have to be solely as a pastor. We get so focused on becoming a pastor when that may or may not be our call. There are many ways to serve God’s people in addition to preaching from the pulpit.
In terms of creating greater opportunities for females to be a shepherd of the flock – Number one, we have to prepare ourselves in a variety of ways, theologically speaking and especially for us emotionally speaking, we need to network and we have to spiritually prepare ourselves. Ministry requires a strong spiritual center so that you can continue to hear the voice of God amidst all of the minutia as you consider various areas of interest."
What words of wisdom or advice would you share with women who feel called to become a senior pastor?
"I believe those of us who are called to be pastors are to pastor if it is only a, a few weeks, a few months, a few years or longer. We have an obligation to those who come behind us to give it our best and to love God’s people. I think women are socialized to do that better than perhaps our brothers in the ministry. Pastoring is a place to show the best of who we are as human beings. Show kindness, love and respect. It doesn’t mean being a door mat, but we can demonstrate the fruit of the spirit. Sometimes we set that aside as we go into these official positions – that’s not what Christ did. Use Christ as the model instead of the Bishop!”
What words of encouragement and caution would you give to those who are currently serving in that role?
“Recognize that it is a hard ‘row to hoe!’ We must take care of ourselves – that is imperative. I’m tired of seeing us die, overweight and going into drugs and promiscuity out of sadness, stress, frustration and pain.
God is doing a new thing. Church as we once knew it will not be anymore. In established congregations, the membership is changing dramatically. Communication and expectations are changing dramatically. The old ways of being ‘church’ don’t necessarily fit. We have to pray for discernment of what is coming.
The other side of it is outside of the church. There are Christians who are not associated with any congregation. They want a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and they are willing to work, but they are not going to take the ‘stuff’ that older generations took. They have too many options.
We have to talk with the younger generations, listen to them, take them seriously and we need to push them to give answers that make sense. We’ve got to be patient with them. They’ve got to learn their own lessons- they can’t learn our lessons. We’ve got to love them unconditionally.
Have fun – When ministry is no longer enjoyable there is something wrong. You have got to get some fulfillment out of it. God has no desire to have ministry tear us apart as much as we allow it to do so.” End of Interview
Everyone is not called to become a senior/solo pastor. What is your calling? Has God called you to preach, but not necessarily pastor? Has God called you to serve in some other capacity? What words of encouragement and or advice would you like to share with other clergy sisters? Post a comment or send me an email at shepastor1@hotmail.com
Until next Wednesday,
In faith, hope and perseverance,
Pastor Chris
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